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Integration and Disintegration: Buddha with TMichael

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Integration and disintegration

Conversation with Buddha and TMichael: Integration and Disintegration

TM:  I feel like for many years I have tried to integrate my human self with my spiritual self.  At times I feel I have reached some measure of success only to witness set backs in the form of failures in my life—failures to live purely in my convictions, or failures in relationships, etc.  How can we feel one moment in the complete bliss of integration and then later as if things have become unraveled?

Master Buddha:  There is a natural progression toward integration that includes disintegration.  It’s the same as when you try to affix one object to another and the seal is not set just right.  Maybe there is debris mixed in the seal.  Maybe there are gaps in the seal.  Whether it’s obstruction or space, the seal is not complete and can be easily pried apart with the least amount of stress to one of the objects.  Your human personality and your spirit work in a similar fashion.

Once you are inspired and begin to inquire about your spiritual nature you begin to receive information about spirit.  You begin to look at your human life through a new filter.  You begin to question your life and its meaning.  This is the beginning of integration.

Recognize what is happening even in this beginning.  There is a natural disintegration of your human personality, that is, due to new, incoming information from spirit your personality begins to fragment and parts begin to modify.  Some parts you may let go—destruction.  Some parts you may transform.  But what was before is no longer the same.  Disintegration within the personality has occurred.  At the same time, integration has begun between spirit and personality.  However minute that may be, it is an integration.

There is a series of cycles of integration and disintegration that occurs.  This may go on for a period of time until the tension resolves and you conclude that you have settled on a point of integration.  That is what you describe as the point of bliss.

That state persists for some time until there is a crisis, which disturbs that state.  New tension is created and you begin the cycle of disintegration—the tension must be resolved.  Suddenly you may realize that all the beliefs you adopted in your quest for spiritual alignment where somehow off.  You shed them as a snake sheds his skin.  Now you are disintegrating your spiritual concepts.

The process is one by which personality disintegrates, spirit disintegrates, the combination of the two in relationship disintegrates and then it begins a new cycle of integration.

TM:  So when do we know we’ve reached the final point of integration?  How long will this go on?  It’s tiring and almost maddening.

MB:  It is no different really than my opening example.  It continues until you have properly removed the debris or space between the two objects of integration.

TM:  Won’t there always be things we can’t or don’t know about ourselves, personally or spiritually?

MB:  This is the great challenge of enlightenment—when do you reach that point?  Who can know, perhaps one who is fully enlightened?  But how do you know who that is if you are not fully enlightened yourself?  Is that not the basis of faith?  Faith covers the gap between what you know to be true and what you don’t know.  It is the motivation to continue, because you believe in the process.

TM:  Makes me want to give up at times and say this is bogus, a waste of time.

MB:  Yes, and for a while you might do that.  That’s a point of disintegration between your personality and your spiritual self.  When faith or belief in the process can’t be the salve to satisfy the tension, then abandonment is a choice.  That’s natural.

TM:  So, that happens, then what?  Why would I get on the treadmill again?

MB:  You may not.  You may decide to live from the perspective that your personality is all there is.  That the state of personality is all there is for everybody and that is your world.  You may find some new evidence that pushes you back into inquiry, which starts the cycle of integration and disintegration again.

TM:  I’ve done both of those things.  It’s wearing me out.

MB:  Yet it continues.  So, something within you pushes through the haze and says try again.  What pushes?

TM:  I don’t know, something happens and it starts again.  Maybe I should pay attention, but it seems like before I know it I’m inquiring again.

MB:  Well, let that be a mystery for now.  As you progress through the cycle maybe that is revealed for you.  Then it will be okay for a while until something else happens to disturb it.

TM:  So, basically you’re saying that it is a struggle forever and I’ll either engage the process or I won’t.

MB:  I’m not saying it’s a struggle forever.  I’m saying that it’s a struggle for as long as it is and that it doesn’t really matter how long it takes.  Until such time that your spiritual self can tap into its essence within your personality and transmute it into a reflection of spirit, you will go through various stages of integration and disintegration.  Your impatience may serve you to keep trying or it may persuade you to abandon the process.  Your choice.

TM:  Yeah, I always come back.

MB:  One simple truth is that you don’t really have a choice in the long run.  You can abandon the process for a while or you can push too hard and feel frustrated.  But your spiritual self is never dormant or absent.  Spirit isn’t time-constrained, as is your personality.  And that may be something you have to take upon faith.  Maybe you already accept that, but have to just not think about it for a while.  It doesn’t matter.  You will eventually resume the cycle.  That is the natural order of life on earth.

© TM 2015

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Truth and Trust: Buddha with TMichael

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Truth and trust

Conversation with Buddha and TMichael: Truth and Trust

TM: I can see upon reflection of what you have said about reincarnation and karma that I had a notion that it was a form of punishment to correct wrongdoing, or reward for good things done.  And one has to come back time and time again to get it right.  That’s not it though, is it?

Master Buddha: Getting it right, meaning purifying your essence while in material form, and consequently purifying your material form would be one way to see it.  Punishment and reward is wholly a human concept.

TM: But we have so many stories of God(s) punishing people for all sorts of things they did wrong, or for disobeying God(s).  How do we change our orientation toward that model?

Master Buddha: I don’t know.  You could just give it up because it no longer serves you.

TM: Well, that’s just too easily said.  Much harder to do I think.

Master Buddha: You have to make that choice whether to hold on to what you once knew and cherished as truth or to embrace a new idea that better suits your current state.

TM: How do you know when it’s time to do that?

Master Buddha: Ask yourself, what is the worst that could happen if I embrace this new thought?  Can you not retrieve the old one?  Who gave you all these rules that you must rigidly follow?

TM: I suppose at some point I accepted them as truth and have clung to them because I want to live according to truth.

Master Buddha: Truth shifts with you.  It is not a fixed thing that you can cling to and drag it around.  Truth represents reality.  But remember that your journey on Earth in material form presents you with an avalanche of illusion.  You must be adaptable and truth seeking, not truth-clinging.

TM: Don’t you have to have something to hold onto for just a little while?  I mean, isn’t truth-seeking a truth to follow?  When would you give that up?

Master Buddha: As soon as I believe it no longer serves me.  And service to me could mean something very different than when I adopted truth-seeking in the first place.  You like many others are afraid of losing control and so you place limits; you reduce meaning and experience.  Reincarnation and karma allow for a non-judgmental experience of life in material form.  If you are fluid enough in your orientation you can experience all that there is in the world of illusion in a very short time.  If you’re not, then you can take a long time to spin around in the same space until you realize that is what you’re doing.

TM: How do we know which truths to trust and to follow?

Master Buddha: You don’t know based upon trust do you?  You know based upon deliberation in a mental process.  You know based upon what has been handed down through the ages in the form of teachings and social norms.  You know according to your familial orientation.  And you know according to what serves your ego.

If you knew based upon trust, you would not need those other inputs would you?

TM: So you’re implying that I need to find trust first?

Master Buddha: The ego does not trust; it scans.  It searches high and low for signs of agreement or disagreement with its agenda.  It will play any role that serves to maintain its primacy.  It is, in fact, the most worthy foe of any one you could meet.  And it is who you think you are.

Trust is incongruent with ego.  That is, unconditional trust is in congruent with ego.  Trust based upon conditions and waivers abound with the ego.  To seek truth with such a handicap is nearly impossible if not maddening.

In ancient cultures, trust was based upon instinct.  With modern civilization, the mental faculty has replaced instinct.  Beyond the mental faculty you will discover the true seat of trust for your purposes of living on Earth.  Then you may choose truths based upon trust.

TM: How do we get there?

© TM 2015

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Conditions On Earth (Part 2): Jesus and TMichael

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Conditions on earth part 2

Conversation with Jesus and TMichael: Conditions on Earth (Part 2)

TM: Let’s say I’m sufficiently confused.  A story without a beginning or an ending is unimaginable to me.  It defies our understanding of science, our framework for history, drama, literature, everything.  But do continue.

Master Jesus: You know when business innovators tell you to think outside the box?  This is one of those times.  Only I’m not so much a business innovator as I am a spiritual innovator working with life concepts that happen to include business.

Humans are organized energy, as are plants, minerals, animals, oceans, atmosphere and every living thing on this planet and in this universe.  The pattern that forms the visible form is one part to be understood, the creator of the pattern, another, and the energy itself yet another.  Most humans are not aware (except some scientists and philosophers who at least explore this thesis) of these basic concepts and therefore lack understanding of their origins and motivation for living.  In short, they don’t know where they came from, where they’ve been or where they are going, or why as a species they are on this journey.  They do, however, desire to know at some point in their lifetimes, but usually it’s on their deathbeds.  There’s not much time to explore the meaning of life at that point.

It is much easier to let the storytellers create tales that have a beginning, middle and end.  That’s logical and neat.  But that isn’t the way it is, only the way it has been told to pacify humans.  Parents do this with their children.  Spirits have done this with humans.  It is time to undo this.  It is time to lift the veil and reveal things as they are.

I am the Master Jesus, as you know me.  But my indwelling spirit is not of this world as I have stated.  What does that mean?  It means what I said; my indwelling spirit is not of this world—Earth.  Neither is yours.  For that matter, neither is it the case for any human on Earth.  No living spirit is of this world.  The human forms were created here and are of this world and will die here and return to the stuff of their origins.

The indwelling spirits shall return to their places of origin.  Many spirits have journeyed here repeatedly for millions of years, even though you would reckon human history in the thousands of years, I tell you it is much longer than you can imagine.  The patterns for all forms visible to you now are not identical to ones that have existed here before now.  The patterns change, as does the composition of energy that fills the patterns.  The creators of the patterns and the energy change as well.  So you see all things change.

The originating points for the indwelling spirits are manifold in the millions.  Humans ponder the prospects of alien life visitors when in fact your very essence of spirit is precisely that.  There are indeed physical-form, alien life visitors who frequently come to Earth.  They are no more or less spectacular than you.  As a matter of fact they think you are pretty spectacular; that’s why they visit Earth.  They are advanced in ways that you are not; mainly in scientific terms.  But it is only necessary for you to accept your far-flung origins to accept the presence of others here from points far and wide.  There are spirits who are in forms invisible to humans who visit here and have done so for millions of years.  They leave clues of their presence, but very few humans pay attention.

It’s okay if you don’t know about these things.  Now is the time to learn.  Learn about yourselves and from where you have come.  You will know me as a teacher, as I have always been.  I will tell you about yourselves and assist you in learning how to live together in peace. Despite your long history of conflict and wars, it is now time for peace.  The observations of others in the universe are focused on this point—can the humans of Earth live in peace, or will they slide further into unmitigated conflict that will destroy life.  It’s the question we asked and humans will answer it with their choice.

TM: When you talk about beings from other planets, it sounds like, well, no offense, but it sounds kind of out there.  Crackpot comes to mind.

Master Jesus: Of course it does.  Humans have created a story of denial around this fact.  You should have seen how difficult it was to reverse the story that the sun and the planets of this solar system revolved around Earth.  It wasn’t just the clergy who held onto this story. Remember our opening to this conversation?  When enough people hold a belief with enough emotional force for long enough, then it becomes unshakeable truth.  Your governments, and I mean all of them as the leaders of the world, know about these things to some degree.  They have taken the position that it is better to keep a lid on this because it would destroy the story and the world would collapse into chaos. There comes a point however when there are enough experiences outside the boundaries of the story that the story has to shift.  Now is that time.  The story is changing just as it did when the proper order of the solar system was revealed.  Crackpot is actually a very appropriate name.  The pot will be cracked, shattered more likely.  The contents will be revealed.  Your government leaders who have kept secret this information initially feared chaos, now they fear massive anger by the populace for them withholding this information and denying they were doing so for so long.  Remember the denials have been going on for many decades.

TM: I don’t believe there will be so much anger as there will be curiosity for answers and if the governments will be forthcoming, people will quickly get past the anger.

Master Jesus: Therein lies a problem for your world leaders.  They have so mismanaged this situation that they fear anger coupled with complete loss of confidence will result in their loss of power.  Chaos, they believe, will ensue.  Once people realize that their power has been held in place by major deceptions, people will revolt and overthrow the governments.  They have been informed that their containment of this information shall be pierced and that is why events are unfolding they way they are at this time.  They are scrambling to cover themselves.

TM: All of this seems far a field from what you usually teach.  What happened to the render unto Caesar approach?

Master Jesus: We’ll get to that.  As I said earlier, things change. Everything changes.  This includes what is being taught and the methods of teaching.  Humans have assumed, wrongly, that they are the only ones affected by their decisions.  This is the egocentric aspect of the story.  First, the story must be enlarged to include everyone and everything affected by decisions.  Then everyone must be given a voice in those decisions.  Those of us working from the side of spirit are here to ensure this happens.  From that point, humans in their dominant position will decide the fate of Earth and all living things on Earth. That will be judgment day.

TM: Why is humanity in the dominant position to make such a decision and doesn’t that contradict what you said about everyone having a voice?

Master Jesus: There is no contradiction.  Humanity was given this prerogative under conditions of fairness and full understanding of all points of view.  The struggle as you can see is between factions of humanity who believe they have the right understanding.  This will have to be resolved and will be soon.

TM: Back to the alien visitor part—when will we learn more about this?  Why can’t these aliens make direct contact with the general populace?  By going through corrupt leaders, it seems they are in league with them to perpetuate a deception for the general population.

Master Jesus: Despite what you may think, there has been very little direct contact between alien visitors and government leaders.  If you can realize that there are mischievous visitors among the ranks of aliens as there are among humans.  The most contact has been from that group and your leaders have rightly observed their dishonesty.  Secrecy and fear and the power accrued to those in the know has blocked the process up to this point.  But as I indicated earlier, this is about to change.  Those visitors who are here to assist in the fulfillment of humanities’ role are notifying the government leaders of their intent to communicate with the general population of Earth.

TM: Aren’t you and others violating that protocol by revealing this to me and thereby to others who may read this?

Master Jesus: This revelation through this method is how it is to unfold.  That has been conveyed to the leaders.  There will be a gradual unfolding.

© TM 2015

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